Dr. Paul Offit: Debunking the Vaccine-Autism Link - Newsweek

Dr. Paul Offit: Debunking the Vaccine-Autism Link - Newsweek

A good read - and it continues to show how the antivaxers like Mr. Hubbs don't understand the issues. They don't have any science to support their viewpoints that vaccines cause autism, yet they vilify and attack the scientists like Offit who are doing nothing other than trying to save lives. Study after study after study has found no link between vaccines and autism, and no matter how many times the antivaxers shift their focus (first it was the MMR vaccine, then it was thimerosal, next it was aluminum, now it is the sheer number of vaccines) it doesn't change the fact that to date there has not been one single peer-reviewed study on the planet which has proven a link between vaccines (of any type or any quantity) and autism. Not even one!

The science doesn't lie, but antivaxers sure do.

Yet Another Identity for Mr. Hubbs

Recently Mr. Hubbs has decided to switch his username he uses to post comments to the Argus Leader website and he is now going by the name of “Placebo-X”.

Of course Mr. Hubbs denies that he is using the “Placebo-X” username because he doesn’t want others to know he has had to switch names yet again. When confronted with his latest name change, he even went so far to claim it was a “wild accusation”, but unfortunately for Mr. Hubbs this is just the latest example of his ever-present dishonesty.

What happened Mr. Hubbs… was the Truthstorm name banned from the Argus Leader site for your continual violations of the terms of service? Was the Wildman440 name banned before that? Were any of your other multiple usernames banned or do you just like to change names to fool people into thinking there is more than one vaccine conspiracy theorist posting on the Argus Leader website?  Is it just a coincidence that your previous Argus Leader usernames no longer post any comments and instead we see the same comments being posted by Placebo-X?  Don't bother answering Mr. Hubbs... we already know the answers.

The reality is there are several facts that allow us to identify Mr. Hubbs as being Placebo-X even though he pretends it isn’t him. First, we have Placebo-X’s comments about 9/11 conspiracy theories:

"When they can explain why there were NO Norad Jets in the sky anywhere near the planes of 9-11, then we may start believing what we are told. 53 planes flew off course in that same area prior to 9-11, all were diverted back to a safe landing. When they can explain what Cheney was actually doing that day, then many of us they claim are only conspiracy theorists, will start to believe what our gov't tells us. When they can explain how building 7 fell exactly the same way in its own footprint, never having been hit by any aircraft, then we will start to believe a little of what we are told." ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

"just like 9-11 itself, there are and will remain many unanswered questions, but the public is so easily swayed by the main stream news." ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

Sure seems to align with Mr. Hubbs previous statements about 9/11 doesn’t it? In fact previous quotes from Mr. Hubbs himself have included “Find out where Dick Cheney was on 9-11, and what he was doing” and “Does it also bother anyone that Blg. #7 fell that day and no plane hit it”. He also has stated: “How could previous to 9-11, 52 accidently [sic] off course planes, be diverted by military fighter jets safely back to an airport, yet two jumbo jets on 9-11 got through”.

Coincidence? Not likely.

Then we have several comments from Placebo-X about how WebMD and other sources of information are biased, yet he links to numerous other sources as if he is the only person capable of providing unbiased information. Where have we seen that tactic before?

In a series of stories about the men who killed a prison guard, Placebo-X doesn’t offer sympathy for the killed man or his family, but rather he makes statements blaming the warden rather than the murderers such as the following:

“And when will we hear more about why the warden and his staff allowed two known violent and former excapees [sic] to be working nearly unsupervised in a minimal security area? The incompetence in that happening is nearly astounding.” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

“We don't need any letters praising the warden at this time! The fact is he allowed two men to work in a laundry dept. in a minimally supervised and under staffed area.” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

“Perhaps you will want to explain why those two men were allowed to be in Pheasant Industries, the least secure facility on the entire prison grounds? It has little to no more security than the trusty unit! Perhaps Mr. Weber needs to travel to some real prisons to learn how to do his job properly Are you telling me that there are circumstances that we have not been told that excuses what happened? Go ahead and list those?” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

“Warden Weber needs to go, plain and simple. Find a new job you can actually do!” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

Keep in mind Warden Weber was in charge when Mr. Hubbs was incarcerated, and Mr. Hubbs later filed suit against Weber. His case was later dismissed on October 13th, 2009, but that doesn’t prevent him from holding a grudge.

And here we have Placebo-X coming to the defense of DUI repeat offenders:

“How about an additional question of does branding a DUI driver with a felony, third offense; really serve the public purpose? […] future of working at minimum wage or barely above. […]many DUI's occur at levels barely above .08, which often means that person was not actually impaired enough to be any real danger”. ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

Questioning punishment for those with multiple DUI convictions makes sense… if you are a man with multiple felony DUI convictions yourself I suppose. As it just so happens, Mr. Hubbs has at least four DUI convictions himself… yet another eerie coincidence? To add to that, Placebo-X seems to think driving drunk at .08 isn’t a huge deal because the person isn’t impaired enough to be of any “real danger”? Are you kidding me? If a 4000 pound vehicle traveling at 75mph and being driven by a person with diminished physical abilities and delayed reaction time isn’t considered to be “real danger” I don’t know what is.

In addition to this, Mr. Hubbs… excuse me “Placebo-X”, actually referenced his own… er, Mr. Hubbs’ blog in reference to one of my comments, which seems innocent enough until you realize that searching for my Argus username won’t actually produce that blog in any “research” that he claims to have performed and thus the only way to find that blog is to know it exists in the first place. He then goes on to reference his very own website as a source during one of his rants about herd immunity, as well as referencing his friend Mr. Rall’s chiropractic website that he has done so many times in the past. Not too bright are you Mr. Hubbs.

Then of course we have Placebo-X calling people “sheeple” which is obviously a common trait for Mr. Hubbs, and we have the same common spelling and grammatical errors and telltale sentence structure. But what really seals the deal is Placebo-X’s stance on vaccinations which include the following quotes:

“Stop packing their arms full of endless toxic vaccinations and aluminum and they might have a better chance of learning what they need to. As well end the endless ADD/ADHD drugging of those children and they will learn better as well.” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

“How many people has modern medicine and vaccinations killed and messed up????” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

“the pharmaceutical merry go round that is actually making many people only sicker” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

“There is absolutely no real science behind the concept of herd immunity. It was coined from the known veterinary concept of natural immunity.” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

“Why is it that the thousands of children within the Amish Communities that do not vaccinate are so healthy, and do not have epidemics of 1 in 100 cases of autism” ~Placebo-X (aka Lowell K. Hubbs)

Aside from the fact several of the above quotes are identical to what Mr. Hubbs has stated elsewhere (right down to the same exact verbiage selection and sentences) we also see where Placebo-X decided to quote the exact same excerpt from a story on the polio vaccine including a word for word verbatim quote that Mr. Hubbs has used on his very own blog.

The fact is I really don’t have a problem with Mr. Hubbs choosing a unique username – that is his right of course, but I find it incredibly dishonest to openly state it isn’t him and to pretend there is a unique person who just happens to share all of the same opinions, use the same sentences word for word, make the same grammatical errors, and post the messages at the exact same time. As I’ve said before, the fact that Mr. Hubbs has to be dishonest about his motives and that he plays games in order to prop up his own online identities tells us how desperate he has become. He obviously recognizes that he can’t convince anyone of his wild conspiracy theories, so he resorts to pretending there is more than one man of questionable intelligence spouting the same idiotic ideas.

Unfortunately for Lowell Hubbs, once again the curtain was pulled back and instead of finding a Wizard, we have found nothing more than sad, lonely, dishonest, pathetic old man. Touché.

The Many "Faces" of Lowell Hubbs

Backward Hats Rock!

Note: This post was originally published back in September 2010, but I've decided to update it with some of Mr. Hubbs more recent usernames.  See a follow-up post with yet more names here.

As with most conspiracy theorists, Lowell Hubbs often finds himself alone when debating matters of science and medicine, most likely due to the fact that most people (even the scientifically ignorant ) cannot possibly believe some of the crazy ideas being spewed from Lowell's mind.

As a result Lowell often finds himself in the need of support when posting on websites and blogs. Instead of being able to locate fellow conspiracy theorists to support his positions or to help debate against logic and reason, Lowell instead has found it much easier to simply come to his own defense by registering multiple usernames and posting under these "aliases" in order to attempt to fool others into believing there is more than one person with the same viewpoint.

A few of the usernames Lowell has used or continues to use are as follows:

• Wildman440
• Wildman4000
• Truthstorm
• Truth Storm
• Truth1
• TruthEducation
• Truth Warrior
• naturo-pathic
• discoveryaime
• jnw357
• Anti Vax Warrior 1
• Anti Vax Warrior 2
• Reality1
• Placebo-X
• Cornhullio Rubensteen
• One up over your dumb ass spinker hole!
• Bubba Joe Watkins
• Yvonne DeCarlos
• Greg
• Greg D.
• Craig
• Carol
• Popeye the Sailor
• LowellTR42

In addition to the above, Mr. Hubbs has also attempted to post comments using other people's names as an imposter. Some of those names include:

• H. Manning
• Harley Manning
• IT Firestone
• I.T. Firestone
• Jon Jonson
• Hiland
• Ryan Hiland
• Costner
• CostnerMatthews
• Costner Matthews
• Andy
• Jeffrey Wallace

And of course when it doubt, Mr. Hubbs will often resort to posting comments as "Anonymous" when possible (as he has done on this blog as well as on numerous other blogs and websites).

There are other names he uses of course, but Lowell changes identities so frequently it is often difficult to keep up. However what Lowell fails to realize is he has a certain "style" that quite simply is not replicable by anyone other than himself, and as such anyone who is familiar with Mr. Hubbs is able to recognize his lack of spelling and grammar, horrible use of run-on sentences, heavy reliance upon unsupported opinion, and overuse of websites (including his personal website) as "proof" of his wild claims.  There are also several digital ways to identify Mr. Hubbs rambling comments, but since he isn't intelligent enough to figure them out, I'm not about to give him a written instruction manual.

One recent example of Lowell trying to change usernames was his attempt to post as "jnw357" and act as if he was a separate person. User "jnw357" seemed to be supporting many of the statements made by "naturo-pathic", and in some cases even directly responding to naturo-pathic's posts as if he was having a conversation. 

The most comical post of all however, was when jnw357 came to the defense of naturo-pathic by stating the following:

"It sure is a funny thing that after all that was posted here, all you can do is attempt to harrassse [sic] this individual" ~jnw357 (aka: Lowell Hubbs) referring to his other username 'naturo-pathic'

Yes you have read that correctly, Mr. Hubbs is referring to himself in the third person and coming to his own defense (albeit with a unique username to make it appear as if he is merely a caring person looking out for another poster).

He then went on to state the following:  

"Be proud of the fact that this guy had so much damning truth information to refute yours, that they had to shut it down."  ~jnw357 (aka: Lowell Hubbs) again referring to his other username 'naturo-pathic'

So again Mr. Hubbs refers to himself in the third person as if that will fool others into believing it is someone other than Mr. Hubbs himself.

Lowell kept up this act for at least a few days until finally someone confronted him by name, and apparently knowing his curtain was pulled wide open like the Wizard of Oz, he reacted by attempting to change the subject and by shifting to an unrelated discussion pertaining to "hacking" attempts made upon his computer or the website he was posting on. 

Eventually however, Mr. Hubbs moved on to yet another username and started the same routine again and again, each time being easily recognized by fellow forum members often within the few two or three posts. 

To some degree this begs the question if Lowell even knows all of Lowell's identities. Could he possibly suffer from Dissociative identity disorder (DID) and have one username for each of his personalities? If so, does he ever argue with himself without actually knowing who he is arguing with? Even worse, does Mr. Hubbs find himself losing these arguments? 

One thing is certain: whenever you debate someone who feels the need to "rally the troops" by posting the same crazy ideas from multiple usernames, it pretty much tells you that even they understand they have been bested, and that is incredibly comforting. Instead of relying upon fact, logic, and reason... Mr. Hubbs relies upon dishonesty and deceit. 

Is there really any wonder why Mr. Hubbs is never taken seriously and is mocked at every turn?

Nine Questions, Nine Answers.

Science Based Medicine: Nine Questions, Nine Answers.

If you spend more than a few minutes discussing vaccines and the mythical link between vaccines and autism or merely just the safety and effectiveness of vaccines in general, Lowell Hubbs will soon cut and paste the "9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims.” by David Mihalovic diatribe time and time again.

Even though each of those nine questions has been thoroughly addressed and more holes shot through them that can be found in the average screen door, Mr. Hubbs continues to re-paste his nine questions garbage while refusing to acknowledge the responses because like most anti-vaxers, Mr. Hubbs isn't capable of actually interpreting scientific responses or statements based in fact.  Instead, the only thing Mr. Hubbs can do is cut and paste information from anti-vaxer websites, and since they don't publish the responses to these nine questions, Mr. Hubbs is left with nothing else to say about the matter.

Because of this, I felt it was only fitting that I supply a well written scientifically supported response to each of these nine questions - all in one place - which ends the debate once and for all.  This response was written by a REAL medical doctor with over 30 years of experience and research and it was reviewed by several other REAL doctors as well.

The funny thing is, even though Dr. Crislip addressed every one of those nine questions, Mr. Mihalovic was never able to respond even though these answers were shared with him and his fellow anti-vaxer friends.  The only response they could come up with is that they would like to debate the issue on an Internet netcam with two people representing each side, but responding with a request for an open debate is an old trick and serves no legitimate purpose.  Holding such a debate would suggest scientific fact is open to debate in the first place - rest assured it is not.  Scientific fact is scientific fact like it or not, and no amount of clever trickery is going to dodge that very central point.

As Dr. David Gorski so accurately stated in reference to the idea of debating a scientific issue with an anti-vaxer or other person with a non-scientific and unsupportable viewpoint: "[t]here have to be two scientifically supportable positions. The anti-vaccine position is not scientifically supportable."

I urge anyone with an interest in the subject of vaccinations to read Dr. Crislip's original post, the comments in response to it, as well as the follow-up post by Dr. Gorski which displays the typical avoidance tactics used by the anti-vaxers when real science is presented to them.

It is a long read, but without question it puts to bed this entire "nine questions" silliness once and for all.  I guess Mr. Hubbs will need to find something else to cut and paste immediately before he (inaccurately) claims victory.

The Condition or the Person?

I have always admired the Cathedral in Sioux Falls and that entire neighborhood.  Take for instance 6th Street in Sioux Falls... there are numerous historic homes in that area that are incredible and show beautiful architectural detail.  Some are as old as the late 1800s and early 1900s and many still display original windows and detailing which makes each and every one unique and special.

On the other hand, every now and then you get a property that just doesn't fit in.  The building might be too new, or it might not blend in with the other homes in the area. Perhaps it is a small apartment complex rather than a single family home like so many of the others.

In any case, the point of all this is that sometimes you have one thing that just doesn't fit in with everything around it.  Whether we are talking about homes, cars, ideas, or people - often there are things that just don't seem to match.  This concept applies with people as well, because although the vast majority of the population out there is healthy and doesn't suffer from autism, we know there are a number of people who do suffer from autism.

So in the case of a building that doesn't blend in with those around it, do we suggest we tear that building down leaving the people who live there homeless?  No, we accept it for what it is with the hope that in time it will be improved and accepted and become integrated into the community.

So in the case of a person with autism who doesn't fit in and isn't like the rest of us, what should we do?  Do we banish them and belittle them?  No... quite the opposite in fact.  We welcome them with open arms.  We accept them for who they are and we don't claim they need to be "cured" or that their condition should be "reversed".  So when someone like Mr. Hubbs claims he is merely trying to reduce the number of children who are diagnosed with autism or when Mr. Hubbs says he cares about those who have been diagnosed with conditions that fall within the autism spectrum, why is it that he then turns around and lashes out at the very group of people he claims to care about?

We can obviously disagree what causes autism, but when you drill down on the issue this is less about the disorder and more about the person.  It is important to remember that... because no matter what the root cause of autism really and no matter how long it takes science to isolate that root cause, it won't help those who have been dealing with the issue throughout all of their lives.

So the next time someone argues with you about the root cause of autism ask yourself if they care about the condition... or if they actually care about the person who has been dealing with it each and every day of their life.

The Difference Between Caring and Pretending To Care

Does this look like a man who
cares about children?

I came across an interesting website during a routine Google search, and it got me thinking about the different facades a person can present depending upon what their goals happen to be.

On one hand, Lowell Hubbs acts as if he cares about autistic children.  He parades around claiming that his entire motivation is to "save" these poor defenseless, innocent children from being injured by vaccines (even though he has zero scientific evidence to support the idea that vaccines have anything to do with autism).  Yet on the other hand, we have witnessed how he claims to have first hand knowledge of children being the victims of sexual abuse, yet when asked why he hasn't contacted law enforcement he fabricates an excuse that the alleged perpetrator of these crimes is somehow connected to the FBI and thus is immune from prosecution.  When asked why he hasn't contacted the media, a children's rights organization, a different law enforcement agency, or even one of his Senators to report the crimes, again he is only able to respond with excuses.

As if that isn't bad enough, Lowell registered on a the Aspies For Freedom website - a website intended for those people with autism, aspergers, or other similar conditions where they could share stories, interact with one another, and work towards common goals of increasing understanding of autism spectrum disorders.  So when Lowell decides to post a message on the website, is it one formed from compassion and a sincere desire to express how he cares about people with autism?  Nope.  Instead, Mr. Hubb's posts messages telling the other posters on the website that they are wrong and that he knows the true cause of autism. 

Mr. Hubbs also goes on to actually mention me specifically as he incorrectly assumed one of the posters was me (unfortunately for Mr. Hubbs, I do not have an account on that particular website nor do I know anyone who does), and of course what Lowell Hubbs post would be complete without some accusations of hit men, claims he knows how to reverse or "cure" autism, or that someone else "hacked" his account and posted under his name.

Where have we heard some of this before?

However, when it becomes clear that Mr. Hubbs can't convince others of his conspiracy theories, and when it becomes obvious he is putting up a rather poor showing, does Mr. Hubbs withdraw or remain silent?  Nope.  Instead Mr. Hubbs requests - or rather DEMANDS - that his account be removed so the website won't show up under a google search of his name.  Yes... don't let anyone ever say Mr. Hubbs isn't a classy guy. 

As bad as that might sound, it actually gets worse.  Mr. Hubbs actually refers to the posters on that website as a "[b]unch of patsies and people who cant think or use common sense" and in a follow-up comment as "[p]atsies and fools".  Keep in mind many of the people posting on that website are actually autistic and/or have been diagnosed with aspergers.  In fact several of the posters who were responding to Mr. Hubbs admitted right there on the forum that they are in fact autistic, so we can see first hand the level of compassion displayed by Mr. Hubbs towards those who have autism spectrum disorders.

Feel free to read the whole saga here:  http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=18703&page=1

So as it seems, Mr. Hubbs proclaims to care about autistic children and always seems to act as if he has a sincere concern for their well being, but once those children turn into adults it seems Mr. Hubbs no longer cares and instead is willing to call them names.

Does this sound like a man who is really concerned about autism, or does it seem that Mr. Hubbs couldn't care less about those who have been diagnosed with autism?  Is it possible Mr. Hubbs is only concerned with children and once those children turn into adults he stops caring?  What type of sick mentality uses a disorder like autism to get closer to children when it is obvious he has ulterior motives?

One thing is for certain and that is Mr. Hubbs doesn't really care about people nearly as much as he pretends he does.  It begs the question if Mr. Hubbs doesn't really care about those with autism, why does he pretend to care about autism itself?  If you are so focused upon the condition that you forget about the person... what purpose does that really serve?

It seems if you or a member of your family have been diagnosed with a condition that falls within the autism spectrum, you would be well served to keep your distance from Mr. Hubbs, because the real Mr. Hubbs isn't nearly as nice and caring as the fake persona he tries to present to young people.

The Company We Keep

Lowell Hubbs and Friend

I must admit I was really hoping to move beyond this silly discussion surrounding Mr. Hubbs' "extracurricular activities" and I had hoped to put an end to his ongoing desire to continue to speak about child porn as if it is a personal hobby of his, but there comes a point where it seems important to speak about the company a person keeps because it sheds light on the character (or lack thereof) of a man.

A little history is likely in order here for those keeping score at home, so I'll provide some background data for those who haven't been able to review all the comments. On a previous post, a comment was posted from a person called "IT Firestone" where he or she listed of a series of websites that Mr. Hubbs was apparently visiting. This person also referenced some of Mr. Hubbs activities on a public terminal as well as speaking about some of his associates.

Now it should be stated I have no way to verify what IT Firestone stated, but based upon the comments and Mr. Hubbs rebuttals, it seems obvious there is quite a bit of truth contained within those few comments. In response to IT Firestone's statements, Mr. Hubbs immediately began tossing out accusations of hackers that were putting pornography into his email etc, etc, although in truth this all seemed like a well crafted cover-up to excuse his behavior. You'll have to be the judge on that one.

Long story short, since this original discussion occurred, Mr. Hubbs has continued to talk about his friends and the topic of child abuse, child pornography, and other equally disturbing subject matter. What does this have to do with vaccines you might ask? I have no idea... but since Mr. Hubbs seems so focused on the issue that he has literally left dozens of comments on this blog about it, I felt we might as well get this out in the open to show the types of issues that Mr. Hubbs seems to have taken an interest in.

Below are just a few of the most recent comments that Mr. Hubbs has left on this blog:

Did you know that Harley Manning has an STD? He first went to the city site for STD support, and then he went online to Walgreens and ordered his prescription for HPV/HIV treatment medication. Would you like the number he ordered? So, in other words he is going to the home of 2, 6th grade girls and apparently having sex with them and putting them at risk for HIV....WOW. His buddy asked Harley, how was the kid? And he replied, GooOOd! ~Lowell Hubbs

So Mr. Hubbs claims that Mr. Manning has an STD and even claims he knows where Manning fills the prescriptions and even the "number" (I'm assuming that means the prescription number, bit it may mean the number of pills etc). Mr. Hubbs also claims to have knowledge of a specific conversation where Manning bragged about his conquests - yet Mr. Hubbs pretends he doesn't associate with Manning at all?

It seems to me if someone knows this level of detail about a person that they are obviously friends. Sort of makes you wonder if this "buddy" that Mr. Hubbs refers to is actually Mr. Hubbs himself. The only other possible explanation is that Mr. Hubbs is friends with the person on the other side of the conversation... a person who seems interested in hearing about sexual abuse and who obviously has no intention of reporting Manning to the authorities.  Either way it doesn't speak very highly of Mr. Hubbs.

One thing is for certain - the way Mr. Hubbs writes "GooOOd!" when speaking about sexual abuse is sickening and wreaks of him taking pleasure in discussing the topic. That suggests to me that IT Firestone's comments likely have a lot of truth in them, but things only get worse from here. Read on:

"Are you aware of that Mr. Manning is a convicted sex offender who has ratted out over 20 people to avoid years in prison, and that he still does what he did then today, right under the nose of the feds? Do you know he has a direct log in to the FBI?" ~Lowell Hubbs

If Mr. Hubbs knows this much about Mr. Manning and even claims that Manning has a "direct log in to the FBI" how can he turn around and say they aren't friends? Inquiring minds want to know. It should also be noted there is no Harley Manning found in the sex offender registry (which is in fact required for all convicted sex offenders), so it seems Mr. Hubbs' story has a few holes in it.

"Do you know that Harley was in the presents [sic] of at their house, two 6th grade girls, [redacted] and [redacted]? 11 years old. Conversation, "sorry my mother came home" What; did he excape [sic] out the window? How bad would that look! More conversations where Harley calls [redacted] "Sweetheart", and she calls him "Hun". Harley, "Sorry Im [sic] busy, Ill email you later", knowing he was buzzed in on)." ~Lowell Hubbs

Note: I have redacted the names of the two girls to protect their identities. Although I don't tend to believe Mr. Hubbs' accusations, I'd rather err on the side of caution just in case.

So again how does Mr. Hubbs just happen to know the exact conversation that occurred between Manning and another person? If Mr. Hubbs doesn't associate with Manning, how would he obtain any of this information?

I realize Mr. Hubbs isn't very bright, but he seems to be implicating himself as being involved every time he quotes Manning. This is why I have stated several times that if Mr. Hubbs knows of sexual abuse occurring, or any activity related to child pornography it is his duty and obligation to report it. However Mr. Hubbs doesn't seem interested in reporting it... he would rather talk about it and relive it and make excuses on why reporting it won't do any good:

"He has a sealed record because he ratted out over 20 people, plus now he has a direct log in to the FBI while doing the same [redacted] he always did before. Want to see his actual records [redacted]! And you know that." ~Lowell Hubbs


"As for Mr. Manning, as he has auto-submitted emails directly to the FBI which fully incriminated himself on all levels, it would be quite clear that they know. That information was submitted to the systems of law over 2 months ago as well." ~Lowell Hubbs


"It was reported, and you know you were told that; but it seems that Mr. Manning has again acquired himself a spot in favor. They aren't going to raid his house as long as he is willing to hack what they want access to and clearly (partially) has acquired in his files." ~Lowell Hubbs

Note: I have redacted Mr. Hubb' profanity in one of the above comments but no other changes have been made to their content.

So as you can see when pressed to report these accusations to the proper authorities, Mr. Hubbs claims that he (or someone) has done so but that Manning has "a spot in favor" with the FBI and therefore nothing will be done. Sounds rather convenient to me however - because the FBI doesn't hand out "get out of jail free cards" for child abusers nor would they allow it to continue.

The fact is, Mr. Hubbs stories simply don't stand up to scrutiny. A comment left on this very blog suggested to him in the past that he could report these crimes to the local police, to the department of social services, to the local media, or to a child protection organization but it doesn't seem to have any impact upon Mr. Hubbs. So rather than actually doing the right thing, what does Mr. Hubbs counter with?

You guessed it... he tries the old "I know you are but what am I" retort straight out of a Pee Wee Herman movie. Instead of defending his inaction, or explaining why he seems to know so much about this Mr. Manning, Mr. Hubbs chooses instead of accuse me of being involved:

"You were CAUGHT operating right in the middle of one of the most twisted multi-state sex rings imaginable; headed by their Kingpin, H. Manning." ~Lowell Hubbs

I guess apparently I was caught... yet it seems since not only have I not done anything, but I don't even have any idea who this Mr. Manning is. If there is such a thing as a "multi-state sex ring" operating in or around the area it is news to me, but I'll state again for the record that if Mr. Hubbs has information about such activities and if he fails to report it (or continues to make excuses on why he hasn't reported it or why it wouldn't do any good) then he is just as guilty as anyone he claims is involved.

I will say that if Mr. Hubbs believes I am involved, by all means report me to the authorities. I have nothing to hide and if a member of law enforcement wants to speak with me, investigate me, interrogate me, or anything else I am more than willing to cooperate 100%. The thing is, it seems fairly obvious that Mr. Hubbs is just slinging mud and making things up as he goes (a classic case of projection if I've ever seen one), and I know I have no such involvement in any "multi-state sex ring", but since Mr. Hubbs likes to fabricate details to deflect his own disturbing involvement I'll go ahead and bite... bring it on Mr. Hubbs.

In any case, Mr. Hubbs doesn't stop there. His accusations continue:

"To include uploading sick videos of me to the site [redacted] that have had my face spliced into it. I couldn't make up a story like that if I tried, and it would be pointless to even make such an effort." ~Lowell Hubbs

Note: I have redacted the name of the website that Mr. Hubbs is so fond of that he has to mention it daily. If this site is actually somehow affiliated with kiddie porn, I'm not about to give them free advertising or share it with others. I wish Mr. Hubbs would quit referencing their website in his comments, but for some reason he seems to take pleasure in talking about them time and time again.

I guess from this particular comment I'm supposed to believe that someone is uploading videos to that website and digitally pasting Mr. Hubbs face into the videos? Now I've heard of photoshopping images, but to digitally alter a video frame by frame is much more difficult and isn't likely to be done by anyone who isn't a professional working for Lucasarts or ILM etc, so this calls into question Mr. Hubbs accusations. Could it be that Mr. Hubbs had one of his personal videos uploaded without his consent and now he is claiming it is fake? I can't say because A) I have zero desire to visit that website, B) I have even less desire to see Mr. Hubbs in a video, and C) I find zero validity and truth in anything Mr. Hubbs ever says, so this is just another example of him fabricating stories in his own twisted mind.

Now keep in mind Mr. Hubbs claims he isn't friends with Mr. Manning as explained here:

"...where do you get the idea that I have any personal contact with Harley Manning. I knew him for many years, and NO ONE knew the sick life he was living, he never let onto it with anyone. However, looking back on how many times he moved and the excuses he used, it all fits now. I didn't disconnect from him until I had the conclusive proof, and gave him the benefit of the doubt as he claimed it was someone else with the same name. He is a very skilled liar, and he still denies it all today. We were tipped off by some hackers that were after me, that there was child porn in that computer. We never had the proof. The truth is all to obvious in multiple ways now. What Harley turned into once he was caught was a monster noone [sic] knew he could be. Very dangerous man to the community, and he has some very slick things going on, and he is it appears largely untouchable by the law, if you only knew,(or do you)." ~Lowell Hubbs

Aside from the silly notion that "hackers" who "were after" Mr. Hubbs tipped him off (why would someone who is supposedly after him help him in any way?), we are to believe that Mr. Hubbs was friends with Manning in the past, but now he has "disconnected". That is all fine and dandy, but it seems odd given the following comment he left on this blog:

"In 2004 Harley came to the door of his apt. at then the Albert House, with his chest hair shaved to the nipples. I was puzzled by that, but noone [sic] knew of his secret and twisted life, not even those people closest to him. He hadn't had any recent surgeries, and I would understand trimming chest hair so it wouldnt [sic] stick out above the shirt collar. What do you suppose was going on with that? Well, now 7 years later I know. He only needed to shave what was above his child porn manufacturing outfit. When he was asked about that last fall why, as to would any man shave his chest hair to just above the nipples, he asked, "who did that"? The reply, "you did"! He angrily replied, "maybe I was sweaty"." ~Lowell Hubbs

Ok I apologize for the disturbing mental visuals that accompany this particular quote, but I feel it is important to quote Mr. Hubbs directly. For a guy who seems to want to distance himself from Manning, and for a guy who claims he isn't friends with him, it strikes me odd that Mr. Hubbs can quote a conversation that occurred and he remembers each and every word as if he wrote it down in his personal journal.

Yet Mr. Hubbs still refuses to take action to report the crimes he claims have occurred and instead tries to deflect back to me:

"Costners [sic] buddy and accomplice in it all, Harley Manning, is a person who has been witnessed ordering fake poop, anal lube, an anal rape kit, and as well dildos size small, and more, all online; and you claim I am the criminal...WOW! The slander never ends, and it is you Costner who was caught accessing one of the most sickening and twisted archives of child porn and including manufactured porn with adults having sex and sexual contact with children. Files to even include murder and rape. Those files came directly from a multi-state sex ring you have operated out of and all of your activity has been run through that, to include blogger." ~Lowell Hubbs

Once again he have Mr. Hubbs sharing specific details about Manning. This time claiming to know what Manning has purchased (I don't even want to know where someone would order an "anal rape kit") - yet we are to believe he isn't friends with him? For a guy who isn't friends or isn't involved, he sure seems to know a lot of very, very specific details. The term "disturbing" doesn't even do this justice.

Of course what Lowell Hubbs comment would be complete without more accusations towards me, so once again I remind Mr. Hubbs that if he thinks I'm involved in this disgusting and illegal activities he suggests he should be reporting me to the authorities. Heck... feel free to show them this blog and if a member of the Sioux Falls police department or FBI or any other law enforcement agency wants to get a hold of me, all they need to do is ask.

But we all know that won't happen because all of this has only occurred in Mr. Hubbs sick twisted mind. Are we honestly to believe there is a website that shows these types of videos and even videos of murder and that the website wouldn't be shut down or that those involved are just walking around free? Are we to believe that Mr. Hubbs knows the identity of these people but that law enforcement can't figure it out? On what planet does any of this actually make sense?

Mr. Hubbs likes to play the denial game and tries to accuse others of being involved, but when you really boil it down it is like all of his other claims: There is no proof to any of it, and there are unlimited excuses on why that proof doesn't exist. I really hope this is all a story in Mr. Hubbs' mind because the idea of children being mentally and physically injured enrages me, but the fact is since I can't prove it either way the best course of action is simply to state what I know here for the record and to let people judge for themselves.

Now frankly I don't know this Mr. Manning. I have never met him nor have I ever heard from him personally. I have never talked to him, emailed him (or received email from him), and I wouldn't know him if I saw a picture of him.  There have been a couple of comments posted to this blog under the name Harley Manning, but those were posted by Mr. Hubbs trying to pose as Harley, therefore truth be told I can't even be sure it is a real person or if it just one of Mr. Hubbs' alternate identities.

I stated in the past that I tried to locate information on Manning and since Mr. Hubbs has made so many accusations about him I would have assumed he would have a criminal record and/or would be a registered sex offender but I had no such luck locating anything other than an address and phone number, and even then I can't be sure it is the same person (one has to assume there are more than one Harley Manning in the world).

That being said, since I know very little about Manning it probably isn't fair of me to cite his name and associate him with Mr. Hubbs because I have no way to verify any of Mr. Hubbs claims or statements. However if even 10% of what Mr. Hubbs claims is true (and I sort of doubt that to be the case) then Mr. Manning is not the type of person that I would want to associate with.

My recommendation to anyone who comes into contact with either Mr. Manning or Mr. Hubbs would be to turn away and head the other direction for your own safety and for the safety of others around you. If you have children please don't allow either of these two men to be in contact with them, and especially ensure they are never alone with the children. If you suspect either of these two men are involved in any illegal activity please contact law enforcement and remember it is better to be safe than sorry.

I ask you... knowing what is stated above and the types of people that Mr. Hubbs has associated with in the past and/or continues to associate with, is this the type of person you should take medical advice from? Knowing what we now know, does it seem rather curious why Mr. Hubbs seems so concerned about young children? Could it be that the only reason Mr. Hubbs is on this anti-vaccine crusade is so that he can get closer to children as he fools unsuspecting parents into believing he is just looking out for their best interests and that he actually cares for their well-being?

What's next for Mr. Hubbs - standing on a street corner handing out ice cream cones and lollipops along with anti-vaccine brochures with his home address and telephone number printed on the bottom?  Does he have plans to hang a "Free Candy" sign on his door?

I won't claim to have all of the answers, but clearly every parent or guardian needs to make up their own mind about what harm could come from a man capable of producing the above quotes. My personal view is that any parent who would allow their children to interact with Mr. Hubbs or any parent who takes unsolicited medical advice from Mr. Hubbs is being reckless and putting the safety and well-being of their children at risk. I also believe when a lonely, single, 50-something ex-con with multiple felonies on his record, a proven track record of interacting with men of questionable moral fortitude, and a mind full of unlimited conspiracies theories starts talking about sexual abuse and makes excuses for why he hasn't reported it to the proper authorities it seems well past time time to turn around and run, but you can decide that for yourself.

Keeping in mind the types of people that Mr. Hubbs has been known to associate with, I will leave you with a proverb which seems rather fitting:

“You may know a man by the company he keeps.”

I couldn't possibly have said it any better.

Alternative Medicine: A Conspiracy Theorist's Trusted Friend

Q: What do you call alternative medicine that has been proven to work?

A: Medicine.

The above statement reflects the general course of action as medicine continues to evolve and adapt.  What may have been considered outside the norm or non-mainstream treatment a few decades ago, could very well be considered a normal course of action today.  This is why when someone is actually proven it will become adopted... because doctors and scientists are humans too and they just want to treat and cure conditions and diseases.

So why is it that vaccine conspiracy theorists like Lowell Hubbs always seem to think that "modern medicine" is reluctant to try new things or that the medical community at large is resistant to change?  The simply truth is, if a treatment shows promise you can bet that treatment will be studied, examined, researched, and if there is any merit to it... implemented by countless practitioners.  If a new cancer treatment shows promise, it will be validated and tested.  If that treatment results in the patient living a longer life or experiencing less pain or getting through treatment with fewer side effects, rest assured it will be used.

The real issue with alternative medicine is that in the vast majority of the cases, the treatments don't have any legitimate science to support them, and the people peddling these products and treatments have no true interest in knowing if the treatments work or not (after all if science showed a treatment to be entirely without any benefits, there would be no profit to be made by using that treatment, and thus the practitioner would suffer financially). 

In fact most of the time we are given only casual observations from those that sell these treatments and there is never any proof of efficacy.  They don't engage in legitimate long-term studies.  They don't finance double-blind clinical studies.  They don't submit research to be peer-reviewed and published in reputable medical journals.  Instead, they write articles or stories that are very often published on their websites or in their newsletters, and they make wild claims that have never been evaluated or examined by others.  To some like Mr. Hubbs, this is good enough, and we have seen examples of where Mr. Hubbs has fallen hook, line, and sinker for the claims made by people such as Andrew Moulden and Sherri Tenpenny even though their claims never have any science to support them.

In the real world, most people are skeptics.  Skeptics are always trying to dig deeper and never accept anything on face value.  Skeptics are always looking for the true angle and although they may give people the benefit of the doubt, when it comes to matters of science or fact, skeptics require evidence and cold-hard data... not platitudes, personal observation, statements from a few select individuals, or even worse -  unsupported claims by the person who stands to benefit by that particular treatment being used.

That isn't to say that people shouldn't try new things or do what they feel is best for their own health and well being, but the reality is people like Mr. Hubbs tend to make claims about how much better and safer alternative medicine is than its more mainstream counterpart, and unfortunately for Mr. Hubbs there is never any science to support that viewpoint.  Thus when Mr. Hubbs claims that a doctor can cure cancer with baking soda or when he claims you can cure autism with 'biomedical' treatment that is merely Mr. Hubbs' opinion and not a scientifically supportable position.

Thus when pressed for real science to support these miracle cures, what does Mr. Hubbs provide in response?  You guessed it... the typical conspiracy theory that the FDA, CDC, WHO, AMA or "big pharma" would never 'allow' such a study to be published or that they are in 'control' of the information flow surrounding all medical and scientific matters worldwide.  Obviously this is a tad hard to believe as that would suggest there are millions of doctors and research scientists and university researchers involved in some massive cover-up to silence the truth, and never once has a single one of these millions of people come forward and blown the whistle.

So I ask which seems more plausible... that alternative medicine treatments simply haven't been proven to work, or that a few million people are somehow all in some vast conspiracy to silence anything which could potentially harm the profits of their employers or otherwise have a negative impact upon their funding sources?  I guess in the world of a conspiracy theorist, all of these people are cold-hearted, selfish, greedy, scumbags who could care less about finding a cure to cancer or a proven treatment for autism and instead they are only concerned with the size of their respective bank accounts.  Millions of researchers, scientists, and doctors worldwide are all somehow more concerned with protecting their jobs than being known as the person or persons who actually cured a disease and not a single one of these people anywhere has a desire to put their mark on human history.

Yes that is quite unbelievable for anyone with even a shred of common sense, but nobody ever claimed conspiracy theorists based their viewpoints upon logic or intellect.  Instead, people like Mr. Hubbs merely prove their ignorance and naivety on a daily basis... and then they wonder why they are continually mocked and never taken seriously.  There might be a lot of people in this world who are qualified to offer sound medical advice, but rest assured it is probably a bad idea to take such advice from a conspiracy theorist who has doubts that we ever landed on the moon, who thinks the CEO of a multi-billion dollar health organization is out to kill him, and that the Twin Towers were destroyed by bombs as part of a government conspiracy.

Sort of makes you wonder what is next for the medical genius mind of Mr. Lowell Hubbs doesn't it?

Off the Deep End... Or Worse!

Warning: The following post contains quotes containing excessive profanity as well as accusations of sexual abuse involving children which can be offensive to some readers.  Discretion is advised.  

I've spoken of Mr. Hubbs questionable mental stability in the past, but after his most recent comments I can only assume Mr. Hubbs has suffered a severe mental break.  I can think of no other possible way any man is capable of posting the comments he has submitted recently, nor can I understand how anyone of sound mind is capable of fabricating and inventing such wild stories.

There is such as thing as a vivid imagination, but when such an imagination involves discussion of sexual abuse to children it crosses the line from questionable to downright disturbing, disgusting, and appalling.  One of Mr. Hubbs first comments was the following:

"Hey Costner! Costner 360 Logging into Harley Manning Porn File on local C drive. Costner 360 signed into yahoo.com H Manning open new email compose- Subject (Fuck you Harley) Body ENCPTD Harley Manning signing into Costner360 account. Theres much more! There sure are allot of names logging into that onion router he has to secretly access all that child porn and all the other site stuff he accesses. I would shut this blog down if I were you. You all belong in prison, you lying hypocrite." ~Lowell Hubbs

Now I won't even begin to assume the type of people who associate with Mr. Hubbs, but he has commented on this "Harley Manning" in the past so there is obviously some connection there.  I searched for the name and found an address as well as a phone number here, and from what I can tell that is the only Harley Manning living anywhere near Sioux Falls.  Based upon Mr. Hubbs wild accusations I also searched criminal databases as well as sex offender registries but was unable to find any entry for anyone by that name in any of them.

I did find an entry for a Kenneth Manning, but he is currently incarcerated in Springfield and has been since 1996, and there were no other Mannings listed.  Therefore I cannot say who this person is that Mr. Hubbs seems so fond of that he mentions him time and time again, although it does appear that person is not a convicted felon or sex offender.  Why do I mention the sex offender angle?  Read on:

[...] "I can see when you are accessing the Porn Folder on local C Drive of Mr. Harley J. Mannings computer system. Are you aware of that Mr. Manning is a convicted sex offender who has ratted out over 20 people to avoid years in prison, and that he still does what he did then today, right under the nose of the feds? Do you know he has a direct log in to the FBI? Do you not think he will take you down with him, if and when he is caught? How about all those pictures and videos he uploading to the underage porn site [redacted]? Who is that he is spoofing the sick images of and uploading that on? I know; all with the help of his just as sick crew. Do you know that Harley was in the presents of at their house, two 6th grade girls, [redacted] and [redacted]? 11 years old. Conversation, "sorry my mother came home" What; did he excape out the window? How bad would that look! More conversations where Harley calls [redacted] "Sweetheart", and she calls him "Hun". Harley, "Sorry Im busy, Ill email you later", knowing he was buzzed in on). Who are all those people it lists by name? Is that their real names?" ~Lowell Hubbs

Ok for the record I took it upon myself to redact the girl's names because if Mr. Hubbs statements have any connection to reality and they are real girls then I see no reason  to cause any further emotional trauma to them.  Second I have redacted the name of the website that Mr. Hubbs refers to as an "underage porn site" because frankly I have no idea what that website is, but if it does have something to do with underage porn I sure as hell am not about to visit it, mention it here, or share it with others.  Frankly if Mr. Hubbs has any knowledge of such activity then he has a moral and ethical obligation to report this to the police as soon as possible.  In fact if he allows it to continue unchecked without reporting it, then he is personally responsible for any future abuse that may occur not to mention the mental harm which could come to these girls if they are not helped.

However, in reality I doubt these two girls even exist.  As stated previously there is no Harley Manning listed in the sex offender registry, so the one statement that can actually be verified has been proven to be false.  It would seem in some sick twist, Mr. Hubbs had the desire to shift the conversation away from vaccines and his random conspiracy theories and instead he would rather talk about kiddie porn and sexual abuse.

Now are you starting to understand why I accuse Mr. Hubbs of suffering from a mental break, because no sane and rational person would ever wish to shift a conversation to child pornography or sexual abuse which tells us that either Mr. Hubbs is a sick and disgusting pervert... or he has a severe mental defect.  Your guess is as good as mine.

Of course the comments only seem to get more disturbing from there:

"You don't want to admit it nor address the fact that you and Sugardealer operate right in the middle of a large porn underage sex ring, with Harley manning as the Kingpin. She is right in there as well. I have always said it, you deny everything and everything and you always will. If you do not care about the harm that comes to children and teens in that situation it is highly unlikely you care about the harm done by vaccines either. I know it is you, and I have now complete proof that it is you. You are the sickest of the sick. And hey, noone was trying to hide anything, you are being mocked and harrassed, asshole!" ~Lowell Hubbs

Honestly... what else can you really say?  I think Mr. Hubbs disturbing words speak for themselves.  But wait... act now and we will throw in an additional bucket of crazy for no extra charge!

"Did you know that Harley Manning has an STD? He first went to the city site for STD support, and then he went online to Walgreens and ordered his prescription for HPV/HIV treatment medication. Would you like the number he ordered? So, in other words he is going to the home of 2, 6th grade girls and apparently having sex with them and putting them at risk for HIV....WOW. His buddy asked Harley, how was the kid? And he replied, GooOOd! And this guy is still on the street??? And he is your buddy! I think neither he nor you should be walking around free at all. You both belong in prison, and him for life! He hacked into the interface of the Argus for you last weekend, as well as godaddy, and then as well the payroll system of Command Labor, nationwide. I watched him run the DNS attacks! I watched the sytems go down on godaddy, and nothing could be saved nor published for hours, as well as the Argus. In 3 calls to godaddy it was clear what was happening. Hey Costner, if you are so right , why do you need resort to that kind of bullshit? Harley is very dangerous and sick man on all sides of it. He is a fat pussy, that can not be trusted when he has the opportunity to do what he does. Do you think you can handle what you know is out there? Or me? Just wait until he sees the new blog I just may create on him, with all of his previous charges photocopied. Then he will wish he never put what he did on that sick site, [redacted]. He should have left it alone, and not gone where he did; because he is the one with so much to lose when everyone knows. Stupid on his part. He thinks he is invincible, due to his ratting all those people out to no end, and the resulting favor by the feds. However, his time will come. I can tell you the proof is right in my hands what he has done, and clearly we know what you have done. If you were honest about what you do, your IP wouldn't be hidden linked into a sex ring. You are a real piece of shit!" ~Lowell Hubbs

Now obviously Mr. Hubbs' goal here is to try and link me to this Mr. Manning, but what I find rather disturbing is how Mr. Hubbs seems to have so much detail about Mr. Manning's actions including the fact that he has or had a STD as well as very specific details about sexual abuse including conversations that have been had about the alleged activity.  Add that to the most recent comment he added to this site here, and I'm actually left speechless.

On what planet is it acceptable to know that sexual abuse is occurring and remain silent?  On what planet does someone who claims to actually care about the well being of children allow this type of thing to happen and NOT report it to the proper authorities?  On what planet does someone think making a threat about a "new blog" is acceptable but they won't get their own lazy ass off the couch long enough to CONTACT THE POLICE!  Now I don't want to go on a rant here, but Mr. Hubbs has reached a new level of disgusting with his recent posts and if he even suspects 10% of what he claims is happening then he had better be placing a call and providing everything he knows to law enforcement ASAP.  To even suspect sexual abuse is occurring or that there is known involvement with child pornography occurring and to sit back and not do anything about it reaches a whole new level of disturbing.

It was never my intention to allow this blog to be a holding place for all of Mr. Hubbs dellusions, rambling incoherent nonsense, unsupported accusations, or byproducts of mental disease, nor was it ever my intention to discuss the subject of child pornography.  However when Mr. Hubbs starts making such simply unbelievable accusations  - especially when those accusations involve underage children in revolting, compromising positions... I feel it is necessary to document his behavior for all to see so that anyone who interacts with Mr. Hubbs has a complete understanding of the types of ideas floating around in his head.

If you want to be disgusted, appalled, outraged, and repulsed... it would appear that Mr. Hubbs is your man.

The Pattern of a Conspiracy Theorist

There seems to be a pattern of behavior with most anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists, and it involves the following steps:

1. Make a claim about vaccines that cannot be proven with science.
2. When challenged, post links to anti-vaccination websites, editorials, or various articles from the Internet none of which are peer-reviewed and/or published in reputable scientific journals.
3. After the data posted has been called into question due to bias or the lack of supporting science, accuse those who disagree with you as "having too much to lose" or being affiliated with "big pharma", "mainstream medicine" or having some other profit motive.  It is also a good idea to label anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint as "sheeple" or some other clever insult.
4. When scientific information is posted in direct response to the original claim, respond by stating it is biased because it came from the government or was financed by a drug company or medical association.  Don't bother to actually respond to the data or offer scientific data to counter it, but rather attack the person who authored it or posted it.  This step is typically more effective when you don't bother to read or examine the data offered and instead just read the titles or abstracts.
5. Find another anti-vaccination conspiracy theorist who will post the same information as you and therefore claim you are "winning" because others believe what you are saying.  In the event another anti-vaccination conspiracy theorist cannot be found, register a second or third username on the same website in order to make it appear that more than one person has the same views on the subject... and be sure those people all use the same sentence structure, make the same unsupportable claims, use the same grammatical errors, and cite the same websites.
6. After others have disputed the original claim about vaccines and after scientific data has been shown to invalidate the original claim, respond by claiming you have already provided numerous scientific studies and journal articles and mountains of evidence to prove the original claim in the hopes that others will simply take your word for it rather than recognizing you lack the understanding of what real scientific data actually is.  Insert one or two ad hominem attacks for good measure.
7. Change the subject in order to confuse those who disagree with you.  If the original subject is the MMR vaccine, start speaking about Gardisil.  If the original subject is Autism and vaccines, divert attention to biomedical treatment.  If the subject is chiropractic, start speaking about chelation therapy, and if the original subject is thimerosal, try to talk about smallpox, polio, or refined sugar etc.  Any form of a red herring argument is helpful at this point.
8. Eventually after your data has been shown to be worthless and you are to the point of being openly mocked for being an ignorant fool with a complete misunderstanding of the scientific method, respond by claiming you have won the debate.  Post at least four or five additional comments with the same data or slight variations of it.  Bombard the forums or messageboards with post after post of data in order to make it appear that you have mountains of evidence in support of your opinion (even though most of it is from the same anti-vaccination websites or personal blogs).
9. Go back to step 2 and repeat the process over and over again ensuring to cut and paste the same data and/or list of same websites numerous times in order to make it appear the data is actually more valuable than it was the last time you posted it.  Be sure and add in a statement such as "nothing is ever enough" or "no amount of evidence will ever suffice" or something similar in order to make it appear that you have provided more than enough proof for any independent thinking minds and the only people who would disagree with you at this point are those with a profit motive or those connected to "modern medicine".
10. In all future debates about similar subject matters, always be sure to make claims about how you have won all previous debates and that your information is undisputed or factual.  No matter how much evidence surfaces proving your claims to be untrue or your sources invalid, continue to make the same claims.  If someone challenges you, simply cut and paste the same message multiple times to show that quantity can be an acceptable replacement for quantity.

Granted this pattern isn't set in stone, but it, or a close variation of it, seems to be followed in the majority of the cases.  True to form, Lowell Hubbs follows this pattern often, and he doesn't even bother to hide the fact that he does so.

Case in point, here is a comment from Mr. Hubbs where he admits he posts the same data more than once as if that makes it factual:

"Thtas [sic] why I posted links twice when I did, because I knew it had been ignored; because the same claims returned." ~Lowell Hubbs

Aside from the broken English, grammar, and spelling errors we can see that Mr. Hubbs believes that because someone disagrees with him it cannot be because they find fault in the data or the sources, but rather simply because they ignored the data.  The only logical response is of course to post the same data again.

When that doesn't seem to work, Mr. Hubbs then makes excuses on why his data is being ignored:

"There are obviously medical field people here, with to [sic] much to lose; damage control."  ~Lowell Hubbs

Ah yes, because the only people who could ever understand the scientific method or who might not believe ever word of a anti-vaccination zealot would be those who are in "the medical field" or those who have too much to lose.  Where have we heard that one before?

Don't forget that obligatory reference to sheeple however... we don't want to miss a step here.  Also be sure to label your data as "truth" even when it has no basis in real science and cannot stand up to the rigors of the scientific method:

"they want to keep the sheeple blind to the truth"  ~Lowell Hubbs

True to form, add in a dose of the famous "nothing is ever enough" line to ensure people understand you are fighting an uphill battle against those who refuse to accept the truth:

"Nothing is enough."  ~Lowell Hubbs

Now comes the part where the wild unsupportable claims come out.  Don't bother trying to find the scientific data to support these wild claims however as it doesn't exist:

"The raw food and juicing diet will reverse almost any condition know to man; [...] terminal cancer can be reversed, and has been."  ~Lowell Hubbs

Yes you heard it here... the mind of the medical genius Lowell Hubbs has proven you can cure cancer or "almost any condition known to man" simply by eating raw foods and juicing.  Do we have peer-reviewed studies which show this miracle cancer cure?  Of course not... but that is merely because everyone is concerned over profits and nobody actually cares about curing disease these days.  What - you didn't get the memo that when people put on white lab coats they automatically lose their souls?

This all sort of makes you wonder why Jack LaLane died of pneumonia considering he had a raw food diet and even had a juicer named after him... shouldn't he have been able to reverse his condition due to diet?  I guess pneumonia isn't considered one of those conditions though.

Granted the father of the raw food movement (Herbert Shelton) actually died of Parkinson's after being bedridden for 13 years should probably be a clue that raw foods aren't the miracle they are claimed to be, but don't let those pesky facts get in the way of an unsupportable opinion.  Don't bother asking Woyah Andressohn what she thinks about raw foods however.  You won't get an answer because Woyah is no longer with us.  She died when she was only six months old and weighed less than seven pounds (half of what a typical six month old weighs) - all because she was fed a a raw food diet by her parents. 

Ice Swinton was yet another example of how raw foods aren't the miracle they are claimed to be.  At 15 months of age, Ice weighed only 10 pounds, didn't have any teeth, and couldn't even sit up on her own.  After she was taken from her parents due to the severe malnutrition, she spent the following four months in the hospital and a rehabilitation center.  Does that seem like a diet that is capable of solving "almost any condition known to man"?

Of course what post by Mr. Hubbs would be complete without the accusations or profit motive or the misunderstanding of what real "research is" (note to Mr. Hubbs... performing Google searches is not 'research'):

"Smear campaigns are the norm; every time anyone steps out of the politically correct for profit line; no matter how good the research!" ~Lowell Hubbs

Mix in approximately 20 links most of which go to known anti-vaccination websites along with a few in support of Dr. Wakefield and you pretty much have a typical post for Lowell Hubbs or any anti-vaccination conspiracy theorist.  The most comical aspect comes in a later post where Mr. Hubbs has the audacity to state the following:

"Your first mistake is trusting Wiki exclusively as an only and accurate source of facts as an accurate source of information. Are you kidding me? Unbelievable." ~Lowell Hubbs

Keep in mind this is the same man who routinely cites websites such as whale.to, his own personal blog, and the blogs and websites of known anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists.  In fact in the very same comment that he posted the statement above, he links to his personal website no less than seven times!  That is nothing other than unparallelled hypocrisy to the nth degree.

This just goes to show how Mr. Hubbs erratic behavior is consistent no matter where he is posting.  It could be his own website, it could be any one of the various blogs he has created, it could be on Huffington Post, or on the Argus Leader, or on a scientific website, or on a medical blog, or anywhere else he happens to stumble upon that particular day.  Although one has to wonder why Mr. Hubbs is posting on a website that is setup for and centered around busy Moms.  I've heard of Mr. Mom, but Lowell isn't even a parent much less a mother (thank God), so this is yet another case of Mr. Hubbs thinking he needs to berate others into believing his twisted views.

At least he is consistent.  Consistently ignorant and consistently wrong mind you, but consistent none the less.