tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post7165024980069276186..comments2023-01-16T02:07:51.664-06:00Comments on The Vaccine Conspiracy Theorist: Quack of the Day: "Dr" Andrew Mouldenthē editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-23001626507201052492017-02-08T22:49:20.515-06:002017-02-08T22:49:20.515-06:00The movie directed by Andy Wakefield... the very g...The movie directed by Andy Wakefield... the very guy who was proven to be a fraud and lost his medical license? You mean that movie? <br /><br />I know enough about the movie to know what it isn't - and it most certainly isn't scientific or based in fact. <br /><br />Here is a nice review if you're interested: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/andrew-wakefields-vaxxed-antivaccine-propaganda-at-its-most-pernicious/<br /><br />If you're waiting for Trump to "clean house" I suspect you are going to be waiting a very long time. Facts have a stubborn way of sticking around regardless of elections or the changing administrations.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-21826159871113250722017-01-14T02:57:28.427-06:002017-01-14T02:57:28.427-06:00Look into the movie Vaxxed. That will open your ey...Look into the movie Vaxxed. That will open your eyes. Plus watch Trump clean house with the CDC and all their cover ups.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08680532765506709928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-68419618384036498832016-08-30T08:34:04.582-05:002016-08-30T08:34:04.582-05:00Well twizzler, thankfully Moulden was never one in...Well twizzler, thankfully Moulden was never one interested in "real cures", so everyone here is probably safe.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-70832494827111113092016-07-29T15:58:14.820-05:002016-07-29T15:58:14.820-05:00anyone who knocks doctors that seek real cures are...anyone who knocks doctors that seek real cures are of the devil. plain and simpletwizzler222https://www.blogger.com/profile/18229031675511435182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-29325133832166538732016-05-31T16:41:44.080-05:002016-05-31T16:41:44.080-05:00Well Dan - I don't see a lot of children suffe...Well Dan - I don't see a lot of children suffering from vaccine preventable diseases these days, and diseases like smallpox and polio are no longer a threat because of vaccines.<br /><br />Like it or not, society is healthier than ever. We are living longer and suffering less disease. Seems like if we pay attention there isn't anything to fear with vaccines.<br /><br />Yet some people fear what they don't understand Dan. Perhaps you should educate yourself via peer-reviewed science instead of facebook memes and anti-vaxxer newsletters.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-23601519160426600642016-05-26T01:44:52.570-05:002016-05-26T01:44:52.570-05:00Wow! You really made some articulate points there,...Wow! You really made some articulate points there, you dill. shakeAbootyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12960887598961105006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-85685370967911778242016-05-13T12:38:10.891-05:002016-05-13T12:38:10.891-05:00If you still believe in vaccines then you are not ...If you still believe in vaccines then you are not paying attention to what is happening to all the children who receive them. Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14334182624115275166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-30563787061136735062016-05-13T09:08:54.093-05:002016-05-13T09:08:54.093-05:00Is there really any more evidence required to show...Is there really any more evidence required to show that the anti-vaccine crowd is just plain crazy?<br /><br />At least if they are going to fabricate stories they might insert the name of a government agency that might actually care about healthcare. I'm pretty sure the CIA couldn't care less as they are more interested in "super secret spy stuff". The FDA would have been a more logical choice... but I understand logic isn't exactly the strong suit of the average anti-vaxxer.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-51113337167604377782016-05-11T14:20:09.127-05:002016-05-11T14:20:09.127-05:00Romaine - can you cite a peer-reviewed study to su...Romaine - can you cite a peer-reviewed study to support the idea that vaccines cause "all kinds of disease"? I doubt it.<br /><br />Just look at the facts. If we vaccinate for a disease like polio or smallpox, the population won't contract those diseases. The cost of the vaccine is pennies per dose. Yet treating someone who contracts polio could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical treatment. There are costs for hospitalizations, rehabilitation treatments, countless different pain medications, and perhaps even a ventilator.<br /><br />Polio can lead to myocarditis and high blood pressure both of which require additional medications. Respiratory paralysis may occur which requires treatment and medications. Kidney stones may also form requiring additional medications and treatment.<br /><br />Bottom line - it is exponentially more expensive to treat a disease than it is to prevent it. This is why insurance companies are more than willing to fund vaccinations and preventative medicine because they know their profits suffer when people contract diseases. Thus if you believe the world of medicine revolves around profit, you have to wonder why health insurance companies are so pro-vaccine. After all if vaccines "caused disease", then medical insurers wouldn't want anything to do with them.<br /><br />Time to start thinking critically.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-22101007341483534282016-04-29T14:51:56.291-05:002016-04-29T14:51:56.291-05:00Hey guys listen, this person on this blog isn'...Hey guys listen, this person on this blog isn't real<br />he is just a CIA plant. To further their agenda and to make people believe their propaganda. Conspiracy Theorist, a term coined by the CIA to try and stop people from questioning the OFFICIAL NARRATIVE. Like President Kennedy's murder. If you question you MUST BE CRAZY. So Crazy that it gets you murdered by your own government. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553583423516370766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-79806362207336181722016-04-18T00:45:42.537-05:002016-04-18T00:45:42.537-05:00you stated that big pharma would profit more from ...you stated that big pharma would profit more from treating disease than preventing it. vaccines cause all kinds of disease, so your point is? they get the profits from what's going into your blood stream and much the shit that happens afterward. Dr. Moulden isn't what you've made him out to be. For anyone that is interested, look up Dr. Moulden on your own.romainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905339808423156305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-63281016252438768822016-04-12T14:00:53.730-05:002016-04-12T14:00:53.730-05:00You're correct that the treatment for chicken ...You're correct that the treatment for chicken pox didn't involve a lot of high priced medications and normally it would run its course at home. For those that fail to get their vaccinations this is the same treatments that exists today in most cases. The problem is, not everyone reacts to the virus in the same manner and there are a lot of complications that can occur such as:<br /><br />* bacterial infections of the skin and soft tissues in children including Group A streptococcal infections<br />* pneumonia<br />* infection or inflammation of the brain (encephalitis, cerebellar ataxia)<br />* bleeding problems<br />* blood stream infections (sepsis)<br />* dehydration<br />* death<br /><br />Oh ok... death probably isn't technically a "complication" but it does happen. It is estimated that 100 deaths are prevented via vaccination for chickenpox in the US annually. <br /><br />So ask yourself what "big pharma" makes more profit from.... some vaccines which cost pennies per dose, or treating sick patients who end up in hospitals or require numerous doctors visits or prescriptions to treat complications from a preventable disease. I think the answer is clear.<br /><br />Second I have no "sponsors" so your shill gambit is totally without merit. <br /><br />Third, for those who believe in vaccines and who have reviewed the science behind them (which is for all intents and purposes consists of 99.999% of the medical and scientific community), the ethical issue of withholding a vaccine is a significant issue. If we know we can prevent a disease it is unethical to withhold that potentially life-saving vaccine from someone just so that we can check back with them in a decade and see if they are still alive. So yes - withholding a vaccine does put lives at risk and it is very much an ethical issue.<br /><br />I've written about this topic elsewhere on the blog, and elsewhere on other sites as have others. Part of me would love to see a true double-blind clinical study surrounding vaccine usage because I'm extremely confident that I already know what the results would be, however I would have a hard time justifying putting the health of others at risk by withholding vaccines from them just to make a point that most antivaxxers would refuse to acknowledge anyway.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-84481841741172266042016-04-11T00:34:55.568-05:002016-04-11T00:34:55.568-05:00When there is an outbreak of a disease, not everyo...When there is an outbreak of a disease, not everyone will be infected. Take for example chicken pox - what is the treatment drug to cure chicken pox? What would a good doctor tell a patient? Monitor fever, calamine lotion, limit touching of blisters, keep hygiene, eat nutritional diet, drink plenty of water, some vitamins to boost your immunity. If fever persists for more days than usual go back to doctor. No big money for the pharma.<br /><br />You're a highly intelligent person with many qualifications and you deliberately ignore the obvious just to spin for your sponsors. With vaccines, the big pharma is able to cover a larger proportion or 100% of a demographic. So from this simple analysis, big pharma absolutely profit many times over with vaccines than "treating" disease. Plus they have an arsenal of supplementary drugs to treat consequential conditions derived from the vaccines.<br /><br />What is insane is you playing up on ethical issue about withholding treatment for a group involved in a vaccine's trial. How are lives at risk for the group receiving saline when they were not at risk of any health hazards? Vaccine trials require HEALTHY VOLUNTEERS. Or did you mean the risk of complications or even death for the group receiving the untested vaccine? Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09815307763479760456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-63664745850453723772016-03-28T00:30:40.961-05:002016-03-28T00:30:40.961-05:00". . .avoid vaccines like the plague." ...". . .avoid vaccines like the plague." That's actually kind of funny!ironflangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11385133028411188985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-62323703451361701892016-03-09T15:01:35.929-06:002016-03-09T15:01:35.929-06:00I assume you are referring to the random controlle...I assume you are referring to the random controlled trial of the BCG vaccine in a specific population. From my understanding, the vaccine was not shown to be effective for that group however your statement about those with the "real vaccine" attracting more disease don't appear to match the actual study results. <br /><br />We need to acknowledge that not every vaccine ever produced will be effective for every group of people and every form of disease. This is why we perform studies and why clinical trials are performed. The fact that we are able to openly read about such trials which show us a vaccine such as this one offered little to no protection against adult forms of bacillary pulmonary tuberculosis should serve as evidence that nothing is hidden from view and the published trials are helping to ensure only viable vaccines are administered to the appropriate populations.<br /><br />What this has to do with the late Andy Moulden I have no idea, but it should go without saying that a single study showing a lack of efficacy of one vaccine is not any reason to assume that all vaccines are ineffective. The data simply doesn't support that conclusion. <br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10573656thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-79882287802352205302016-03-09T14:33:24.786-06:002016-03-09T14:33:24.786-06:00Well Mr. Hubbs (I like your new account, but you s...Well Mr. Hubbs (I like your new account, but you should probably learn how to spell anonymous one of these days), the link you provide doesn't contain any scientific proof. Perhaps you don't understand this, but the number (47,500) that they site didn't come from a scientific study, but instead originated in an editorial. There was and is no data to support it which you would understand if you bothered to read actual articles instead of just the headlines and captions.<br /><br />I could post a rebuttal and analysis of the editorial, but this has been debunked and exposed numerous times before yet you continue to post this same link time and time again ignoring reality. Therefore I know you won't care to read any of the analysis, but in case anyone else does want to see why this is so grossly misleading and outright false... they can read the following material:<br /><br />http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-denialists-hate-bill-gates/<br /><br />https://www.truthorfiction.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-polio-efforts-paralyzed-47500-kids/<br /><br />thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-55928877617291475892016-03-09T14:22:17.367-06:002016-03-09T14:22:17.367-06:00Well Maica - I do believe vaccines are wonderful a...Well Maica - I do believe vaccines are wonderful and I have got them myself! I've received dozens of vaccines in my lifetime - many more than the average adult in fact. The amazing thing is that I haven't had a single case of polio, smallbox, diphtheria, measles, mumps, whooping cough, chicken pox, or a few dozen other diseases. Lucky me.<br /><br />You may think you know children who "change" after a vaccine, but your opinions are not science. I like science a bit more because it tends to cancel out biases. You should try it.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-42946142231237274602016-03-09T14:13:04.755-06:002016-03-09T14:13:04.755-06:00Dan there is plenty of information showing the ben...Dan there is plenty of information showing the benefits of vaccines available on this blog, but as I don't post new material here any longer I'd suggest looking at other sites for material. Science Based Medicine is a good site, and if you are sincere in your desire to look at data "from both sides" then you should start with the CDC for vaccine data. <br /><br />As to Moulden's ideas - increasing blow flow is not always advantageous nor is increased oxygen content. Keep in mind cancer cells thrive based upon blood flow so it isn't always a good thing to focus upon increasing blood flow alone.<br /><br />There is such a thing as oxygen toxicity which could result in pulmonary edema, atelectasis, or a variety of conditions. <br /><br />It is important to understand the symptoms of a patient and treat that patient in context of their entire body. It is not appropriate to simply assume there is one thing wrong with them and jump into treatments without a full examination and tests. <br /><br />When Moulden claimed he could diagnose patients with brain disorders without even bothering to meet them or perform any type of physical examination it proved he was nothing short of a fraud.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-33949872234162463562016-03-09T13:42:21.050-06:002016-03-09T13:42:21.050-06:00Well that is just silly. Are you suggesting "...Well that is just silly. Are you suggesting "Big Pharma" had something to do with Moulden's death? Truth is, if there was a list of targets that "Big Pharma" would want to get rid of, Moulden wouldn't be on it as he was a nobody. Meanwhile you have frauds like Andrew Wakefield and Joseph Mercola who have made comfortable livings from attacking conventional medicine and treatments. Yet they are alive and doing quite well for themselves (well - you know - aside from Wakefield losing his medical license along with all his credibility). You get the point.<br /><br />Sometimes people die. I know that comes as a shock but it happens.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-25982064943271655862015-12-30T16:19:22.457-06:002015-12-30T16:19:22.457-06:00Here's your scientific proof editor
http://...Here's your scientific proof editor <br /><br />http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/08/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47500-cases-of-paralysis-death/<br /><br />argue that also anonomous (but not a sheep)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06424731347435441998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-85219794514989130692015-11-29T03:17:31.802-06:002015-11-29T03:17:31.802-06:00Dr Moulden seems like an interesting guy. The idea...Dr Moulden seems like an interesting guy. The ideas he shared should be considered with an open mind. Increasing the blood flow in disease conditions can't hurt can it? Purifying the blood with oxygen and improving circulation is a good idea for all human beings at an stage of life right? That is what Dr. Moulden was saying isn't it? Do you have any links you can share showing the benefits of vaccines? I am interested in learning the data from both sides of the debate. Thank youDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14334182624115275166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-7942604429857766622015-11-28T16:48:26.177-06:002015-11-28T16:48:26.177-06:00Do you have children affected by Vaccines? Have yo...Do you have children affected by Vaccines? Have you seen your children change after a Vaccine? Have you any idea how the body works for that matter......Go an educate yourself on the processes of the metabolism , nutrition, defenses of the body and then have a second look at vaccines and the way they ruin the immune system. Easy to attach something positive if you are collecting benefits from the Pharmaceutical system . If vaccines are so wonderful GO GET THEM YOURSELF! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17107870565813326167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-34263671979213871262015-11-06T11:59:57.335-06:002015-11-06T11:59:57.335-06:00Don't disagree with Big Pharma or, like many, ...Don't disagree with Big Pharma or, like many, you will end up receiving their vaccine of death. Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17513942108055764922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-79551139416943384262015-10-24T02:57:07.627-05:002015-10-24T02:57:07.627-05:00Dear editor, have you ever hear about largest vacc...Dear editor, have you ever hear about largest vaccine study some 35 years ago in India, performed by WHO, with "gold standard" in medical researching? If not I will tell you. In short, large population was given BCG vaccine and large was given placebo. End result: Ones with real vaccine attract more disease against they where vaccine for than placebo group. Please comment this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122903485485096940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1309418625578356582.post-32257106061019435822015-07-28T09:37:31.834-05:002015-07-28T09:37:31.834-05:00Sadly, you're mistaken. Moulden offered no pe...Sadly, you're mistaken. Moulden offered no peer-reviewed science to support any of his theories. He offered no whitepapers, he offered no analysis, he didn't author any studies... he just had a website and a few YouTube videos. That isn't evidence, and that isn't science.<br /><br />Let's also not use terms like intelligent or courageous to describe Moulden. He was never able to finish his residency even after years of trying so this was either due to his inability to complete the coursework, or perhaps because he was too busy selling DVDs and offering to diagnose neurological conditions via photographs sent over email. I'm not sure either of these suggests he was intelligent, and as far as courageous it doesn't take courage to tell people that you can diagnose their children with a brain disorder simply by looking at their photographs. It doesn't take courage to make statements that appeal to medical conspiracy theorists while selling them DVDs or collecting speaking fees. It doesn't take courage to jump on the anti-vaccine or anti-science bandwagon without offering one single piece of evidence to support one's theories.<br /><br />This isn't courage - this is fraud. This is deceit. This is dishonesty. This is the work of a charlatan and a quack. There is nothing to "study" from Moulden, because he never bothered to produce any real science. It was merely conjecture, opinion, and nonsense packaged in sellable form for the low, low price of $29.95.<br /><br />Had the man ever bothered to engage in a medical study to support his theories or had he found the time to author and publish a peer-reviewed paper in a reputable medical journal then perhaps there would be something to review, but as it sits it appears his lack of scientific contributions is the only measurable accomplishment in his entire career which is why even other anti-science quacks haven't bothered to pick up where Moulden left off.thē editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984975680215894542noreply@blogger.com